Cam Hay Releases the No Hope Zine
Cam Hay is a great man with a great moustache. He loves the word 'oath' and also likes to take great oath photographs. Did you know that Cam Hay is one of the founding mothers of Hello Zukeen Magazine? Yes, he is. But we're not here to talk about Hello Zukeen, no siree.
This interview is all about a zine that Cam has just released. Cam Hay was the acting tour photographer for the Dunedin based surf-pop crooners Marlin's Dreaming for their tour of NZ in January. He followed the band around NZ, capturing all of the shenanigans that went down before, during and after each of the band's shows.
He returned back to Dunedin with a hard drive brimming with photos of the trip. And what did he do with them? He made a zine! The No Hope Zine is a raw, unadulterated look into life on the road with Marlin's Dreaming. I found Cam on his Hope Street balcony for the story behind the publication and of course, some oaths and moustaches.
Hi Cam Hay
Hi Sam Fraser-Baxter
So you made a zine?
I did make a zine, yes. 60 pages and it’s just right here, can you see it?
I can see it. It’s right in front of me. What’s it called?
It’s called No Hope Zine. It’s a new project I’ve been working on. The first one happens to be about the Marlin’s Dreaming tour over Summer in January, 2018.
Don’t you think it’s a but rude to make a zine seeing as your employed as the senior photographer at Hello Zukeen magazine?
Yeah you could say ‘rude’ or you could say it’s an opportunity to develop your own photos and use them, like the photos that get rejected all the time. So I’ve got my own direction you know? I’m sort of just working with myself to branch out you know?
I guess it's pretty cut throat at Hello Zukeen and Hoffman hasn’t really paid us anything yet.
Yeah, yeah, see that’s the thing. I work there for love. Purely love. And the idea of it is great. But you can’t pump a Hello Zukeen mag with bloody 120 photos of your own stuff because that’s a little bit selfish. You don’t want to ruin the aesthetic of Zukeen with just Cam Hay.
100%. Great. So, you went on tour with Marlin’s Dreaming and you made a zine. Why a zine?
Well I don’t know. The idea is just quite cool because you’ve got so many photos, especially being employed as a photographer for Marlin’s Dreaming. You’ve just got so much content and behind the scenes, I just thought ‘well, it’d be good on Instagram, but no one really appreciates that kind of thing’. So putting it in print and doing something a little bit different is unique.
It gives it a life.
It gives it life. And everyone that’s touched it and seen it so far is like ‘wow, it’s amazing what it looks like in hard copy and print, compared to a Google Drive link or Instagram’. That’s the idea of it really.
Of course. How long have you had your moustache for?
Ummmm I’ve had it for… I think, the month before Movember last year.
It’s probably longer than that. I don't know… I think it’s been… at least two years.
I can’t remember you without a moustache.
Yeah I can’t remember either. I did have a start date in my diary when I put my moustache on but you know... I think it’s been there for a while. I’m too scared to shave it actually, that’s how long it’s been.
Fair enough. You’ve probably got a really white lip.
That’s the problem. It could go any minute, but at the moment it avoids the death of the razor.
What’s your favorite moustache in the zine?
Oh you’ve got to go to the page that’s captioned ‘Oscar Jesus Johns’ and you see this bassist with a shirt off but his moustache… oh actually, this page here, the one with the little poem and quote, probably page three. And Oscy’s mo is glowing gold.
That’s a good moustache.
It is pretty great. It definitely shits on mine, so I’m really just trying to aspire to be a bassist Jesus.
Do you think his moustache is better?
Yeah, well they’re different in there own way you know? His is great with long hair and a shirt off, sweaty as with a bass guitar.
Fair enough, yep. So is your zine stapled or glued?
Stapled. It’s got two staples down the spine. It’s quite nice for anyone wanting to take out a poster. They can just unzip a few staples and get a few spreads of Hamish or Timmy McNaughton or Oscar or Semo. Yeah so I just went for a simple staple down the middle, keep it real. You know, everyone loves staples.
Great structural integrity.
Yeah for sure and it can disperse quite quickly if you need to get rid of it quickly.
It gives it that kind of industrial aesthetic.
Hmmm you’ve got to contain a bit of metal you know? You don’t want to bring it through customs without a beep going off, so… there you go.
Hmmm glue is pretty naff these days anyway.
It’s bad for the paper.
So, lets explore the Cameron Hay lexicon. Talk us through the various usages of ‘oath’. The word does feature in the zine.
So, we’ve been trying to define a term for it, so it can be widely applicable. But I think ‘oath’ is something that can be applied to a situation where there is stoke or where you are stoked. So for example, you might be like ‘ahhh shit, what are we doing for dinner’ and Semo might be like ‘oh shit, we’ve got a curry’ and Oscy might be like ‘ooooh shit oath!’. It’s implying anything to do with stoke.
And then there’s also ‘good oath’.
Good oath. Shit oath. F-oath. Bleep. Great oath. The great oath pre christmas hamper pack, that’s where it originated from. Hello Zukeen.
Of course. Plug.
And so, your zine basically encapsulates the life on Marlin’s Dreaming on tour over Summer. Why is it called the No Hope Zine?
Well a funny thing, we live on Hope Street. I live with the Marlin’s Dreaming boys and it’s quite hard thinking of a name that means something and that’s not been used and actually, that’s probably been used heaps actually. But it just captures ‘Hope Street’, but you kind of throw a reverse term on it saying ‘No Hope’ because we seem to live in the Bermuda Triangle of Dunedin where there’s a few halfway homes around. So it’s kind of giving it a negative term saying there’s no hope, but you know it’s just a name, there’s nothing really behind it, but I thought it would be good to use something that’s here where we live, it gives it a bit more life. No Hope.
Of course. Did you do anything naughty on tour?
Not at all. I was public relations, I had to set a good example for everyone.
And ummm, where can people buy your zine?
Well you can buy it off me in person, but basically I’ve got a link on a Big Cartel bloody thing on my Instagram. So there’s a Big Cartel link where you just click on the link and it takes you to this thing and you click and add to cart. So yeah through my Instagram or Facebook page or yeah.
We’ll put it right here.
Yeah, just click here.
(And for anyone who's cerebral cortex has not yet understood that the above italics were hyperlinks, here's the full text link - https://nohopezine.bigcartel.com/)
OK. It’s here. I’m out of questions.
OK, great stuff. Yeah, I’m stoked with it, so 60 pages, eco pages. Bloody great. Dunedin Print did a great job. Colour. Heaps of good behind the scenes. And yeah a bit of music, a bit of tomfoolery.
Great oath mate. Thank you.
-Interview by Sam Fraser-Baxter
-All Photos by Cam Hay